Comments on: Whoa, what happened to Monaco 9?

By: Mac-arena the Bored Zo

Mac-arena the Bored Zo — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:59:00 +0000

jeff: Ah.

Random oddness, then.

By: jeff

jeff — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:18:00 +0000

To clarify, in TextEdit it looks like the old Mac OS window at the top, not like the OS X window below, so mine is displaying correctly (if the old look is supposed to be the correct one, that is).

By: Mac-arena the Bored Zo

Mac-arena the Bored Zo — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:14:00 +0000

Yup. I'm not able to reproduce it now, though.

Maybe I passed it to jeff through that screenshot. :D

By: Simone Manganelli

Simone Manganelli — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:00:00 +0000

OK, so after doing a bit of searching around, it seems that your "Monaco 9" looks strikingly like my "Andale Mono 10" with antialiasing turned off. Take a look:

Andale Mono 10

It's not an exact match, as you can see some big differences in the symbols and numbers especially (#, *, %, , 0), as well as more minor differences in other characters (my i doesn't have the bottom serif, my m is missing two pixels that yours has, etc). But it does seem to be quite close in overall appearance.

Are you sure you didn't accidentally set the font to Andale Mono?

By: Simone Manganelli

Simone Manganelli — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:46:00 +0000

Bizarre, because TextEdit is the first app that I opened to test this out, and the font displays correctly for me in TextEdit.

By: jeff

jeff — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:14:00 +0000

It displays like your top window for me in TextEdit. I only have one version of Monaco, at /System/Library/Fonts/Monaco.dfont. I'm using 10.4.7 on PPC.

By: Mac-arena the Bored Zo

Mac-arena the Bored Zo — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:09:00 +0000

Simone: I think you nailed it. It's only in TextEdit. TextWrangler displays it correctly, and Adium (weirdly enough) displays it correctly except that the lowercase 'o' is squished from its left and right sides.

Weird. Very weird.

By: Sören 'chucker' Kuklau

Sören 'chucker' Kuklau — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:59:00 +0000

My Font Book says Monaco resides in /System/Library/Fonts, where I would expect it to be. When forced to size 9, Font Book also displays Monaco exactly the way I remember it from System 7.

By: Simone Manganelli

Simone Manganelli — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:55:00 +0000

I have duplicate Monaco fonts: one is at /System Folder/Fonts/Monaco (it's from Mac OS 9), version 3.0, and the other is at /System/Library/Fonts/Monaco.dfont , version 5.1d1e1. Even if I disable the Mac OS 9 font, though, I still get text that looks like the top window.

Does this only happen in a specific application, or does it happen across all applications?

By: Mac-arena the Bored Zo

Mac-arena the Bored Zo — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:44:00 +0000

Odd. When you go to Font Book and get info on Monaco, what does it say is its location?

By: Simone Manganelli

Simone Manganelli — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:26:00 +0000

So what's going on with your Monaco 9, then? My Monaco 9 also looks like the top window, not the bottom one.

By: Mac-arena the Bored Zo

Mac-arena the Bored Zo — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:22:00 +0000

It's Helvetica 12. I decided to use OS X in retro mode for awhile - Helvetica was also the system font in NeXTStep, although it wasn't anti-aliased back then.

By: Sören 'chucker' Kuklau

Sören 'chucker' Kuklau — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:05:00 +0000

I just set TextMate to Monaco 9, non-anti-aliased. Looks like your above screenshot to me. 10.4.7 on Intel.

Speaking of strange fonts, the window title of your OS X shot looks strangely thin. Are you using a theme?